is there a more depressing market segment than midsize sedan?

"itschrome" (itschrome) 02/10/2016 at 10:15 • Filed to: None

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So the woman has it in her head it’s time to part ways with her 2012 Malibu. I agree so long as she keeps payments in the same range as she is now. She bought it new and it now has just under 40k miles and actually owes less than it’s worth. so sweet maybe get some trade in with it. The thing is she’s got me checking out the market for her. Price range would be 20 to 23k.

So far I’m completely unimpressed with every midsize in this range. I don;t under stand why every company seems to insist on pushing options soo high on the price for mid sizes and I really don’t see much difference in any of the cars. you get 180 to 190 hp 4cyl, radio with aux port and it seems mostly only can choose CVT’s. who the fuck wants to buy these? I’m not impressed. for the money I’d rather put her in a 3 year old CTS or something... Ugh..

Twism > itschrome 02/10/2016 at 10:20

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Mazda6?

It’s by far the most fun, it’s well-appointed and it can come with a manual... or a six-speed auto (non-CVT, thank god).

It also looks amazingly better than everything else in its segment.

BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. > itschrome 02/10/2016 at 10:21

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It’s called inflation I guess. I’d go used if I were you. Maybe CPO or carmax warranty.

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > itschrome 02/10/2016 at 10:22

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Uh the segment below it full of Corollas, sentras and other depressingly bland cars..

MLGCarGuy > itschrome 02/10/2016 at 10:24

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This midsize happens to come with this:

Ash78, voting early and often > itschrome 02/10/2016 at 10:26

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Midsize sedans and midsize crossovers — a little something for everyone, but nothing much for anyone specifically.

But on a personal note: Sedans can all die in a fire, as far as I’m concerned.

mazda616 > Twism 02/10/2016 at 10:27

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Must agree. I’ve had mine for four months today and it’s great. Plenty of power (please test drive one before deciding it doesn’t have enough power), great looks and features, plenty of room, good MPG ratings, good safety ratings, etc. I love it.

It has 184 hp from the 2.5 SkyActiv four and literally all car people say that's not enough. But, in day-to-day living, it's more than enough. I never have a lack of power feel when driving this car. It passes and accelerates with ease and it actually has one of the quickest 0-60 times in the 4-cylinder automatic sedan segment. (7.0 seconds flat)

itschrome > MLGCarGuy 02/10/2016 at 10:27

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if you buy the almost 30k v6 model, yes it does. other wise no looks like only CVT.

MLGCarGuy > itschrome 02/10/2016 at 10:28

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The one pictured is the Sport; it only costs $25k new, and used ones are running for around $19k.

itschrome > Ash78, voting early and often 02/10/2016 at 10:29

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what?! no, kill the cross over! they are stupid. they offer less cargo space a lot of time than their sedan counter parts. are often only FWD any ways and usually look like stupid cartoonist things.

VIVA LA SEDAN!

not for canada - australian in disguise > itschrome 02/10/2016 at 10:30

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What about the Optima?

Starts at about 24k CAD, which amounts to about 17k USD. Don’t know what the exact price is in the states as Kia’s site won’t let me get onto the US version. Available with a turbo 1.6, a turbo 2.0, and an N/A 2.4. The 1.6 turbo also comes with a 7-speed dual clutch, rest of the engines have a 6-speed automatic as the manual was dropped in 2013.

Future next gen S2000 owner > itschrome 02/10/2016 at 10:35

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Never forget, it isn’t what you like, it is what the customer likes. Sell the good stuff, not the snakes you like.

Party-vi > itschrome 02/10/2016 at 10:37

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Accord V6 Sedan =/ manny tranny

Accord I4 Sedan = manny tranny

Reviews state the Accord Sport Sedan is more enjoyable (and quicker) than the 2.4L Acura ILX.

itschrome > BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. 02/10/2016 at 10:41

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yeah, I would rather go CPO or Carmax my self. but she likes new, new. She’s only ever bought new. I’m hoping to convince her to go used. But in her eyes any new car is better than an older.I think once I get to to test drive some nicer used cars in her price range maybe I can convert her. I’m only really down with her getting out of the Malibu she has now because it still has older engine and 4 spd transmission. doesn’t move well and get’s shitty MPG.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > itschrome 02/10/2016 at 10:41

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It’s only depressing because you’re shopping in total base model territory. Though a base Fusion with the S appearance package wouldn’t be too bad if you’re willing to ignore the almost certain interior built quality issues it’ll have. The 2.5 is actually a decently peppy engine, and I experienced it in a Transhit Connect.

wiffleballtony > itschrome 02/10/2016 at 10:43

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It is pretty depressing. All anyone cares about is the options these days in that segment not the drivetrain.

itschrome > Party-vi 02/10/2016 at 10:44

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huh, I’ll have to double check them. The website made it seem like only the V6 got anything other than a CVT.

wiffleballtony > Party-vi 02/10/2016 at 10:45

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You leave Manny and his lifestyle out of this!

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > itschrome 02/10/2016 at 10:45

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If it’s a 2012 it has a 6-speed auto. I think it was in 2010 when they made it where every engine and trim level got the 6-speed instead of just the LTZ and V6 models.

dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford > itschrome 02/10/2016 at 10:47

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My dad has a 2014 Kia Optima. It’s a really nice car. It’s got bluetooth, touchscreen, power driver’s seat, and it was only $20k on sale.

Party-vi > itschrome 02/10/2016 at 10:48

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The V6 gets an actual 6spd automatic transmission. I don’t think it gets the CVT.

Burn-Spaz1966-Burn > itschrome 02/10/2016 at 11:03

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ceanderson920 > Twism 02/10/2016 at 11:06

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I have a Mazda 6 as well, same color and everything as mazda616. I back up everything he says, the only thing is that the tires are only ok in snow. I have gotten stuck a couple times in snow that my old Grand Prix could truck through.

Twism > ceanderson920 02/10/2016 at 11:09

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Get better snow tires?

The one I had was on X-Ice and went through blizzards without ever slowing down.

But yeah, this is a problem with modern cars: covered undertray+ low clearance+low profile= less-than-amazing deep-snow performance.

ceanderson920 > Twism 02/10/2016 at 11:18

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I just avoid going through deep snow now instead of paying $800+ for new rims and snow tires.

Stapleface > itschrome 02/10/2016 at 11:23

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What about the Fusion? With the refreshed one coming out soon, I imagine you can get a pretty decent deal on a leftover, no?

Rico > itschrome 02/10/2016 at 13:03

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Not exactly midsize but a quick autotrader search showed me 2013-2014 Cadillac ATSs under $24k fresh off of a few leases.

itschrome > Party-vi 02/10/2016 at 14:17

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that’s what I’m saying. still dont see the 4 banger model with out a CVT.

itschrome > Stapleface 02/10/2016 at 14:19

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her dad hates ford, she wont buy one. I try to make her change her mind, nope. I should note a lot of her family worked at GM. strange she has no feeling about any other brand though. and the fusion can be had in awd i think. that would be nice.

itschrome > Rico 02/10/2016 at 14:24

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yeah Been eye balling those. it’s more suited to her too, the CTS would be a touch too big. but it’s also really pushing our budget.

Party-vi > itschrome 02/10/2016 at 14:24

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US model Accord LX is standard with a 6-speed manual. The Accord Sport is also standard with a 6-speed manual.

BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo > itschrome 02/10/2016 at 16:43

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$23k will get you into a remaining 2015 VW Passat TSI Limited. We have one and I love it. Also, you might be able to find a CPO 2013 BMW 320i or 328i for that price. Maybe even a 2014 320i.

itschrome > BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo 02/10/2016 at 16:55

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pass on the passat, but didn’t think about cpo 3 series. Only issue is if it’s not FWD it needs to be AWD. hills and winter make it a bit impractical. I mean not this year, woohoo, how ever this is not the norm. As the main car for the house a RWD car would be a bad idea. wonder what a 3 series CPO with x drive runs... hmmm away I go!

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > itschrome 02/10/2016 at 23:26

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Ah, that explains your dilemma. I was about to suggest the fusion as well. That Sport model almost looks too good to be true